[She lets his reasoning stand, because it's a hard thing to contest. History needs villains. But when he gets to the subject of Soviet Russia, there's a flare of something, almost personal as her eyes flicker, almost seeming to brighten for half a second. He hits a nerve with that particular subject. Ivan had been oldguard Soviet, KGB, and she has Natasha's memories which come with a lot of feelings about Soviet Russia.]
No, it's not all Russia is. But it's some of what they are. The KGB just became the FSB and the same unethical projects continued, albeit quieter and under prettier names. Word was some of them even had connections to SHIELD.
[No telling how she knows that, but she does. She pointedly doesn't use the word Hydra, but she's pushing back a little, even if it's pretty clear that she's not immune to getting caught up in his rhythm, that play of logic and reason.] But no, we don't paint them all with the same brush, but villains exist plenty well on their own, even without the biases of history.
[Thanks to Natasha putting the files on the internet she knew a bit about Insight. Not all the details -- it hadn't actually been what she was looking for -- but pieces, enough to feel the ground she was standing on start to feel a little uneven.] That depends on how you define it, I suppose. It's easy to call anyone a threat through the right lense.
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No, it's not all Russia is. But it's some of what they are. The KGB just became the FSB and the same unethical projects continued, albeit quieter and under prettier names. Word was some of them even had connections to SHIELD.
[No telling how she knows that, but she does. She pointedly doesn't use the word Hydra, but she's pushing back a little, even if it's pretty clear that she's not immune to getting caught up in his rhythm, that play of logic and reason.] But no, we don't paint them all with the same brush, but villains exist plenty well on their own, even without the biases of history.
[Thanks to Natasha putting the files on the internet she knew a bit about Insight. Not all the details -- it hadn't actually been what she was looking for -- but pieces, enough to feel the ground she was standing on start to feel a little uneven.] That depends on how you define it, I suppose. It's easy to call anyone a threat through the right lense.